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Re: Security

Postby kerramisu » Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:12 pm

Didn't have our bags searched when we went through the first time and was given the wrong wristbands.
Went through a second time to get the right wristband and we were searched, which I thought was a bit odd.

Always got our wristbands looked at by camping security and arena security. Everytime we went to the arena they would ask us if they could sniff our drinks but then we were allowed to take them through.

Thought the Stewards on Apollo were really friendly and they even came back over to say thankyou when a guy next to us told them some drunk needed pulling out which I thought was nice.

Heard security checking through the campsite on the fri/sat nights which was reassuring. They helped a guy near us find his tent again when he was drunk and lost.

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Re: Security

Postby S_Exile » Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:56 pm

Anyone "in the know" able to tell us what the Police thought of the event?

Two officers joined our camp for a quick chat on saturday, and they were brutally honest that campsite theft was an issue, but drugs/violence was "a hell of a lot less than we anticipated".

WOuld be interesting to see what their view on the event was, especially as they are getting quite a bit of praise on here!

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Re: Security

Postby Danger Man » Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:01 am

On the face of it, security seemed very good. The stewards were friendly and it was nice to see the police presence. I wasn't searched once (perhaps I look honest!) and I did see quite a few cans and glass bottles in the arena. I, too, would be interested to know what the official police assessment of the weekend was.

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Re: Security

Postby Grables » Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:48 pm

Overall, the security at the gates and stuff was fine and didn't over hassle people, but the police presence was bad.

I don't see how people can say it was good, yes they were down to earth and friendly... but what the frakk were they doing walking around the campsites late at night? who the frakk do they think they are? Yes its fine to have them in the campsite area on the paths and stuff, but not literally walking around the tents. I don't give a gooseberry what their excuse was, they shouldn't be doing it. Please for next year, bring the police presence down a bit.

Also, on sunday night, why were there 7 police helicopters flying around above the site?
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Re: Security

Postby mattieb298 » Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:06 pm

I think they were generally good, but i do have one complaint:
It was during coheed in the bohemia tent
I understand it was bloked off for safety reasons, by not having too many people in!
But half way through their set, when ALOT of people had left, and there was plenty of room (we could see inside the tent!)
They were being absolute arseholes and not letting anyone in!
Now i think that is absolutely ridiculous, when 100's were leaving, they just could not be bothered to work out how many can be let in!
At least double the amount left than was stood outside waiting to get in!
And don't moan at me saying 'they did a good job for safety', because if NOBODY had left i would have understood as there has to be a limit, but they just couldn't be fucked to monitor how many went in and out!

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Re: Security

Postby fatperson » Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:18 pm

The problem is with issues like that is you're asking the security staff and stewards to make a decision about safety. Plainly this opens a minefield for them and is not something I'd ever want to face. If they let people in and it goes wrong they'll get shot, if they let you in and everything is OK no-one remembers anyway.

Unless they are given clear instructions about what to do I can only support them in their decision not to let more people in.

They don't do it to be difficult.

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Re: Security

Postby mattieb298 » Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:27 pm

fatperson wrote:The problem is with issues like that is you're asking the security staff and stewards to make a decision about safety. Plainly this opens a minefield for them and is not something I'd ever want to face. If they let people in and it goes wrong they'll get shot, if they let you in and everything is OK no-one remembers anyway.

Unless they are given clear instructions about what to do I can only support them in their decision not to let more people in.

They don't do it to be difficult.


I understand that
but when lots and lots of people leave, there was no way letting everyone outside in would have reached the capacity it was at at the start of their set
Most people went into bohemia to get out of the rain, then it stopped raining so they left, leaving the fans who wanted to see them dripping wet outside!
I'd say around 100-120+ left, and there was around 30 outside... now i think thats safe to let 30 in! but no, 0 went in!
so there was huge spaces at the back where nobody was!
They all had their backs to us, watching the music instead of doing their job! Leaving one women to cope with it!
I can see the generic, all-circumstances arguement, but in this scenario, i believe they were wrong to do what they did!

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Re: Security

Postby Skiba » Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:40 pm

Oooh and one of the bag searchers at the front entrance broke my bag. :-x
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Re: Security

Postby davetkd666 » Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:52 pm

mattieb298 wrote:I think they were generally good, but i do have one complaint:
It was during coheed in the bohemia tent
I understand it was bloked off for safety reasons, by not having too many people in!
But half way through their set, when ALOT of people had left, and there was plenty of room (we could see inside the tent!)
They were being absolute arseholes and not letting anyone in!
Now i think that is absolutely ridiculous, when 100's were leaving, they just could not be bothered to work out how many can be let in!
At least double the amount left than was stood outside waiting to get in!
And don't moan at me saying 'they did a good job for safety', because if NOBODY had left i would have understood as there has to be a limit, but they just couldn't be fucked to monitor how many went in and out!



This really is not the case (them being assholes I mean)
They guy at the bottom entrance was getting gooseberry from ignorant people before corey came on.
What happened after that was a guy in a different security uniform approached him and cleared him to let so many in.
My assumption from this is that the guys on the gate had no athority to make that desision. Obviously there must have been people (supervisors) inside the tent judging the crowd and capicity before deciding to give the guys on the gate the go ahead.
I doubt anyone here is trained in crowd safety (or very few). I know I am certainly not, therefore would nt be so ignorant as to say that they were not doing their job properly.

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Re: Security

Postby martin » Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:13 pm

Bag checking was very relaxed getting in to camp site and main arena.

Saw a couple with gas ganisters and in the arena a lot of people with cans and glass bottles.
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Re: Security

Postby PaganWolf » Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:14 pm

davetkd666 wrote:
mattieb298 wrote:I think they were generally good, but i do have one complaint:
It was during coheed in the bohemia tent
I understand it was bloked off for safety reasons, by not having too many people in!
But half way through their set, when ALOT of people had left, and there was plenty of room (we could see inside the tent!)
They were being absolute arseholes and not letting anyone in!
Now i think that is absolutely ridiculous, when 100's were leaving, they just could not be bothered to work out how many can be let in!
At least double the amount left than was stood outside waiting to get in!
And don't moan at me saying 'they did a good job for safety', because if NOBODY had left i would have understood as there has to be a limit, but they just couldn't be fucked to monitor how many went in and out!



This really is not the case (them being assholes I mean)
They guy at the bottom entrance was getting gooseberry from ignorant people before corey came on.
What happened after that was a guy in a different security uniform approached him and cleared him to let so many in.
My assumption from this is that the guys on the gate had no athority to make that desision. Obviously there must have been people (supervisors) inside the tent judging the crowd and capicity before deciding to give the guys on the gate the go ahead.I doubt anyone here is trained in crowd safety (or very few). I know I am certainly not, therefore would nt be so ignorant as to say that they were not doing their job properly.


I used to do crowd management, the way around the issues (with my perfect 20/20 hindsight of course) would be to have one entrance, one exit, and counters on both. They can have the other areas for smokers cordoned off, so they can get out but not leave.
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Re: Security

Postby add » Sat Aug 08, 2009 12:20 am

PaganWolf wrote:
I used to do crowd management, the way around the issues (with my perfect 20/20 hindsight of course) would be to have one entrance, one exit, and counters on both. They can have the other areas for smokers cordoned off, so they can get out but not leave.


except smokers were just doing it in the tent and no one batted an eye lid :P

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Re: Security

Postby HellsWench » Sat Aug 08, 2009 12:39 am

graham8 wrote:Overall, the security at the gates and stuff was fine and didn't over hassle people, but the police presence was bad.

I don't see how people can say it was good, yes they were down to earth and friendly... but what the frakk were they doing walking around the campsites late at night? who the frakk do they think they are? Yes its fine to have them in the campsite area on the paths and stuff, but not literally walking around the tents. I don't give a gooseberry what their excuse was, they shouldn't be doing it. Please for next year, bring the police presence down a bit.

Also, on sunday night, why were there 7 police helicopters flying around above the site?


Something to hide?

The reason I think there were helecoptors (only saw one mind) was probably monitoring the large amount of traffic leaving after Metallica, also the A1 was closed north bound so they may have been watching that too.
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Re: Security

Postby perfectlybroken » Sat Aug 08, 2009 3:12 pm

As someone who's seen some pretty ugly scenes at festivals before I was glad to see a lot of REAL cops patrolling the campsites. The private security guys... *shrug* I didn't see any of them harassing people like I've seen at Reading before, so I guess it's no news is good news kind of scenario.
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Re: Security

Postby HellsWench » Sun Aug 09, 2009 3:36 pm

S_Exile wrote:Anyone "in the know" able to tell us what the Police thought of the event?

Two officers joined our camp for a quick chat on saturday, and they were brutally honest that campsite theft was an issue, but drugs/violence was "a hell of a lot less than we anticipated".

WOuld be interesting to see what their view on the event was, especially as they are getting quite a bit of praise on here!


There's a report in our local paper The Comet (can't find it on their website to paste a link though) so copy typed it, this is what it said...

Police have said no serious or violent crimes took place at the Sonisphere Festival.

About 130 crimes, including thefts and drug offences, were report and 35 people were arrested.

Superintendent Simon Hawkins said "Our intelligence unit worked extremely hard prior to the frestival in order to ensure all officers were fully briefed in relation to possible suspects and issues which proved vital, and a significant number of arrests were made."

Four people were arrested for selling counterfeit goods. Trading Standards seized 1,300 fake items mainly T-shirts and hoodies featuring images of Metallica, Linken Park and Sonisphere. They were operating at Stevenage Station and in and around Kebworth Park.


Also a link confirming the festivals return in 2010 http://www.thecomet.net/search/story.aspx?brand=WHTOnline&category=News&itemid=WEED02%20Aug%202009%2019:28:08:510&tBrand=WHTOnline&tCategory=search

*EDIT - just corrected some bad spelling lol
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Re: Security

Postby davetkd666 » Sun Aug 09, 2009 9:46 pm

80000 according to that link???? must be a mis-print surely?

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Re: Security

Postby add » Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:00 pm

davetkd666 wrote:80000 according to that link???? must be a mis-print surely?



it says over the weekend... so im guessing it counts day tickets and such so is probably closer to 40000 a day... which is what was expected

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Re: Security

Postby stonie89 » Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:42 am

alexcore wrote:we thought it was a fire extinguisher at first so when he sprayed it no one really moved except people directly in front, but then it spread out loads and stung the eyes and made the inside of your mouth all tingly...NIIICE word...it deffo wasn't a fire extinguisher basically...



yeh i was at the front and saw exactly what was being used to spray us and it certainly was a fire extinguiser

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Re: Security

Postby SH4RKEE » Mon Aug 10, 2009 8:22 am

just to throw my 2cents in ...
Police were fantastic, me and Kahula were walking back on the Saturday night and had stopped to have a chat with them at the Police Station (just cos they seemed friendly types), we managed to find out that they had been told NOT to go into the arena area as Site Security were policing that themselves, if they were caught in there by their bosses it was a disciplinary matter (seems a tad harsh to me), we aksed them about the drugs issue and got a very frank and honest answer. They were told to apply common sense and rather than start arresting everyone on sight, to remember that it is a festival and just confiscate it or turn a blind eye.
While this chat was going on a woman walked up with a camera and asked to take a pic of the police (3 of them) in their uniforms as well as me and my missus, when we stood for the photo she told the police "c'mon this is a festival, lets see the "horns" " at which point all three coppers gave it some of this :music-rockon: i would love to see that photo hehehehehehe.

Anyways .. to wrap up .... Police were excellent and i think should also patrol the arena area, at the end of the day if you are in the arena and have a problem with being manhandled (unfairly) by security there is nothing you can do unless you leave the arena area.
Security at the entrance by the police station were great, my bag was checked everytime as were my wristbands, and the guys seemed to have a sense of humour. Out of interest though ..... whty were there so many different security firms ?? G4S, Diamond Events, MAN ..... what is the point in having three in the same area ?
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Postby kbaysurf » Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:05 pm

SH4RKEE wrote:just to throw my 2cents in ...
Police were fantastic, me and Kahula were walking back on the Saturday night and had stopped to have a chat with them at the Police Station (just cos they seemed friendly types), we managed to find out that they had been told NOT to go into the arena area as Site Security were policing that themselves, if they were caught in there by their bosses it was a disciplinary matter (seems a tad harsh to me), we aksed them about the drugs issue and got a very frank and honest answer. They were told to apply common sense and rather than start arresting everyone on sight, to remember that it is a festival and just confiscate it or turn a blind eye.
While this chat was going on a woman walked up with a camera and asked to take a pic of the police (3 of them) in their uniforms as well as me and my missus, when we stood for the photo she told the police "c'mon this is a festival, lets see the "horns" " at which point all three coppers gave it some of this :music-rockon: i would love to see that photo hehehehehehe.

Anyways .. to wrap up .... Police were excellent and i think should also patrol the arena area, at the end of the day if you are in the arena and have a problem with being manhandled (unfairly) by security there is nothing you can do unless you leave the arena area.
Security at the entrance by the police station were great, my bag was checked everytime as were my wristbands, and the guys seemed to have a sense of humour. Out of interest though ..... whty were there so many different security firms ?? G4S, Diamond Events, MAN ..... what is the point in having three in the same area ?


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Re: Security

Postby OneZeroOneUK » Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:48 am

Security and Police maintained an excellent balance of allowing people to have a great time whilst also providing a visible deterrent.

Those security charged with crowd control at the stages were some of the best i've ever seen.

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Postby Keirico » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:09 pm

I thought it was kinda dodgey that my mate managed to sneek a few cans into the arena every time he went in :P he never got searched even though he was wearing a bag. My other mate who wasn't wearing a bag got proper searched aswell, like feeling up his legs n all, we reckon it's cos he looks like a stoner :lol:
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Re: Security

Postby Skiba » Sat Aug 22, 2009 1:21 am

I remembered another plus about the police. Some girl was having an asthma attack and her friend called out asking for a paper bag, which luckily I had one from KFC so I ran over and gave it to them and pointed the police in the direction of the girl. The police have a certain amount of medical training right? So it's good they were there walking around for emergencies.
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Postby SH4RKEE » Sat Aug 22, 2009 12:14 pm

Skiba wrote:I remembered another plus about the police. Some girl was having an asthma attack and her friend called out asking for a paper bag, which luckily I had one from KFC so I ran over and gave it to them and pointed the police in the direction of the girl. The police have a certain amount of medical training right? So it's good they were there walking around for emergencies.



Police may have basic first aid but i'm not sure if it's a definate. St John Ambulance were always around though (even if i did see 3 of them carrying a stretcher at one point)
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Re: Security

Postby kazz » Sun Aug 23, 2009 9:35 pm

heehee. i was with you when that happened sharkee!!!

you pointed it out to me!!

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